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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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Right corner of rear bumper, red '94 TBird. No breaks in the bumper
cover, some minor scars, maybe 1 sq. foot of finish stripped off,
leaving black-looking surface exposed.
I parked in the 3rd slot to side of my super-mkt, where no cars
were. 40 min. later, still no cars except my damaged ThunderChicken.
Dealers estimate is $520. $250 deductable. I 'spect I'll have to
repair myself.
Any body wrestled with such an alligator? Tips, suggestions, etc??
TIA,
Puddin'
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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if ya ain't worried about showroom looks, git yourself a rattle can of
duplicolor in the same color as the car, and spray it up.
if done rite, you will not notice it from 10 foot away.
"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Right corner of rear bumper, red '94 TBird. No breaks in the bumper
cover, some minor scars, maybe 1 sq. foot of finish stripped off,
leaving black-looking surface exposed.
I parked in the 3rd slot to side of my super-mkt, where no cars
were. 40 min. later, still no cars except my damaged ThunderChicken.
Dealers estimate is $520. $250 deductable. I 'spect I'll have to
repair myself.
Any body wrestled with such an alligator? Tips, suggestions, etc??
TIA,
Puddin'
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
- from "If I Had My Way", Blind Willie Johnson |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:38:11 -0500, Puddin' Man
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Right corner of rear bumper, red '94 TBird. No breaks in the bumper
cover, some minor scars, maybe 1 sq. foot of finish stripped off,
leaving black-looking surface exposed.
I parked in the 3rd slot to side of my super-mkt, where no cars
were. 40 min. later, still no cars except my damaged ThunderChicken.
Dealers estimate is $520. $250 deductable. I 'spect I'll have to
repair myself.
Any body wrestled with such an alligator? Tips, suggestions, etc??
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It takes some time and elbow grease to do the prep and paint repair,
but it can be done DIY - 90% of the cost is labor. First step is to
go to the local auto parts that mixes auto paint and sells supplies to
auto painters in your area. NAPA stores usually have one per region
that does this.
They have the special fillers and glazing putties to fill in the
small scratches and build up the edges, special primers to build the
entire surface even with the paint. And the fine grades of wet-dry
sandpaper to block sand it for painting.
When they mix you a pint of matching car paint for use on the
bumper, they have to add a flex agent so it will resist cracking if
the bumper cover bends. Don't use that paint mix elsewhere, or it
won't set up hard.
(Unless you want them to mix up a full quart, then portion off a
half-pint and add the flex agent to that. Then you'll have some
custom touch-up for later.)
You'll probably spend $25 to $75 on supplies depending on what you
already own, and the same to have the paint mixed - but the results
are only limited by how good a job you do on the prep work BEFORE the
color-coat paint goes on.
As to spraying the primer and color coats, you can do a good job
with a rented HVLP gun or an old-style "touch-up gun" from Harbor
Freight. Follow the paint man's thinning and application instructions
to the letter, there are different reducers and/or different amounts
depending on the weather that day - humid or dry, cold or hot.
WARNING: For metallic or pearlescent paints you can do the prep, but
let the Painter at the local body shop do the final color painting.
All those tiny reflective particles in the paint have to be laid
down in the same direction and the same thickness as the paint that is
on the car now, which is tricky. Get it wrong and the patch will
stand out big time, and the whole panel will need to be resprayed.
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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All those tiny reflective particles in the paint have to be laid
down in the same direction and the same thickness as the paint that is
on the car now, which is tricky. Get it wrong and the patch will
stand out big time, and the whole panel will need to be resprayed.
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Why would he be painting the panel? The bumper cover was damaged,
not the panel.
Ted |
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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if ya ain't worried about showroom looks, git yourself a rattle can of
duplicolor in the same color as the car, and spray it up.
if done rite, you will not notice it from 10 foot away.
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I agree 100%.
A number of years ago I bought a used van that had been in a very
minor bumper thumper - the prior owner had backed into a wall and
the right rear bumper was banged in.
I pulled off the bumper cover and took the supports off, (the unibody
itself was undamaged) and using a large sledge and some pieces of
scrap steel, managed to hammer the bent bumper supports back into
shape.
But I obsessed over the damn bumper cover. It had a 2 inch cut in
it. Of course, being anal about a new used car, I canvassed every
wrecking yard in the area until I found an undamaged bumper cover
of the same paint color.
I put everything back together, proud and pleased that for only $200
($150 for the bumper cover, $50 for the new fiberglass bumper
itself) I was able to get the rear bumper back to looking undamaged.
3 months later the van was rear-ended, doing $2500 worth of damage
that the insurance company of the other driver paid for.
I might as well have flushed the $200 down the crapper.
Go the rattle can route. This is a 14 year old car. Sorry if it's
your pride and joy, man, but only the other drivers on the road
are going to be looking at it's ass-end, and if you have owned it for
14 years, your not going to sell it until the coach starts breaking down,
and by then whoever buys it isn't going to give you any more money
just because the rear bumper is all purty-like.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:18:30 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
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"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:487a7c7e$0$20917$607ed4bc@cv.net...
if ya ain't worried about showroom looks, git yourself a rattle can of
duplicolor in the same color as the car, and spray it up.
if done rite, you will not notice it from 10 foot away.
I agree 100%.
A number of years ago I bought a used van that had been in a very
minor bumper thumper - the prior owner had backed into a wall and
the right rear bumper was banged in.
I pulled off the bumper cover and took the supports off, (the unibody
itself was undamaged) and using a large sledge and some pieces of
scrap steel, managed to hammer the bent bumper supports back into
shape.
But I obsessed over the damn bumper cover. It had a 2 inch cut in
it. Of course, being anal about a new used car, I canvassed every
wrecking yard in the area until I found an undamaged bumper cover
of the same paint color.
I put everything back together, proud and pleased that for only $200
($150 for the bumper cover, $50 for the new fiberglass bumper
itself) I was able to get the rear bumper back to looking undamaged.
3 months later the van was rear-ended, doing $2500 worth of damage
that the insurance company of the other driver paid for.
I might as well have flushed the $200 down the crapper.
Go the rattle can route. This is a 14 year old car. Sorry if it's
your pride and joy, man, but only the other drivers on the road
are going to be looking at it's ass-end, and if you have owned it for
14 years, your not going to sell it until the coach starts breaking down,
and by then whoever buys it isn't going to give you any more money
just because the rear bumper is all purty-like.
Ted
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Well, all that is more-or-less true. And I understand the sentiment,
but ...
There's some old guy in my neighborhood that has like a '91 Town Car,
I see him often whilst I walk my crazy dawg. The TC is **Flawlessly**
**Immaculate**, hard to believe.
My AAT (Ancient, Ancient ThunderChicken) ain't perfect, but it's
damned clean, has only 67k mi., and it's title is Transfer-On-Death
to my niece. She will sell it: I'm not likely to.
It's mine. Why shouldn't I take care of it, fix it, nurse it, etc?
Hell, I'm retired: I got all the time in the world. :-)
Again, I understand your sentiment. I swore off buying any more new
cars back in the 80's on account of all the crazy BS we find on the
streets (mutant road surface, Behemoth Pigmobiles driven by folks'd
do well to handle a go-cart, and -always- with a cell-phone in they ear,
etc, etc,ad nauseum).
Thx,
P
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly, your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from rite on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle can,
and you will not see it at all.
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Well, all that is more-or-less true. And I understand the sentiment,
but ...
There's some old guy in my neighborhood that has like a '91 Town Car,
I see him often whilst I walk my crazy dawg. The TC is **Flawlessly**
**Immaculate**, hard to believe.
My AAT (Ancient, Ancient ThunderChicken) ain't perfect, but it's
damned clean, has only 67k mi., and it's title is Transfer-On-Death
to my niece. She will sell it: I'm not likely to.
It's mine. Why shouldn't I take care of it, fix it, nurse it, etc?
Hell, I'm retired: I got all the time in the world. :-)
Again, I understand your sentiment. I swore off buying any more new
cars back in the 80's on account of all the crazy BS we find on the
streets (mutant road surface, Behemoth Pigmobiles driven by folks'd
do well to handle a go-cart, and -always- with a cell-phone in they ear,
etc, etc,ad nauseum).
Thx,
P
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
- from "If I Had My Way", Blind Willie Johnson |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:07:13 -0500, "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote:
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actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly, your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from rite on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle can,
and you will not see it at all.
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No problem with Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades, etc).
Anybody know of a good long lasting clear-coat to go over the Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
Thx,
P
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
- from "If I Had My Way", Blind Willie Johnson |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:49:56 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid>
wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:38:11 -0500, Puddin' Man
puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote:
Right corner of rear bumper, red '94 TBird. No breaks in the bumper
cover, some minor scars, maybe 1 sq. foot of finish stripped off,
leaving black-looking surface exposed.
I parked in the 3rd slot to side of my super-mkt, where no cars
were. 40 min. later, still no cars except my damaged ThunderChicken.
Dealers estimate is $520. $250 deductable. I 'spect I'll have to
repair myself.
Any body wrestled with such an alligator? Tips, suggestions, etc??
It takes some time and elbow grease to do the prep and paint repair,
but it can be done DIY - 90% of the cost is labor. First step is to
go to the local auto parts that mixes auto paint and sells supplies to
auto painters in your area. NAPA stores usually have one per region
that does this.
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OK ...
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They have the special fillers and glazing putties to fill in the
small scratches and build up the edges, special primers to build the
entire surface even with the paint. And the fine grades of wet-dry
sandpaper to block sand it for painting.
When they mix you a pint of matching car paint for use on the
bumper, they have to add a flex agent so it will resist cracking if
the bumper cover bends. Don't use that paint mix elsewhere, or it
won't set up hard.
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I got no Binks gun ...
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(Unless you want them to mix up a full quart, then portion off a
half-pint and add the flex agent to that. Then you'll have some
custom touch-up for later.)
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I got no compressor (sigh) ...
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You'll probably spend $25 to $75 on supplies depending on what you
already own, and the same to have the paint mixed - but the results
are only limited by how good a job you do on the prep work BEFORE the
color-coat paint goes on.
|
I'm kinda used to surface-prep on painted metal like on older cars, but
I've never worked on their "Plastic Wonders" ...
| Quote: |
As to spraying the primer and color coats, you can do a good job
with a rented HVLP gun or an old-style "touch-up gun" from Harbor
Freight. Follow the paint man's thinning and application instructions
to the letter, there are different reducers and/or different amounts
depending on the weather that day - humid or dry, cold or hot.
WARNING: For metallic or pearlescent paints you can do the prep, but
let the Painter at the local body shop do the final color painting.
All those tiny reflective particles in the paint have to be laid
down in the same direction and the same thickness as the paint that is
on the car now, which is tricky. Get it wrong and the patch will
stand out big time, and the whole panel will need to be resprayed.
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Fortunately it's not a true metallic or pearlescent.
Thanks for the write-up, Bruce: it is helpful.
I'll try part of what you suggest if I can find a truly knowledgable
NAPA body/paint guy. But I fear if he's used to serving pros he'll
not wanna nursemaid po' me. :-(
I might be stuck with using Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades,
etc). Anybody know of a good long-lasting aerosol clear-coat to go
over the Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
Thx,
P
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:09:55 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
<tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
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"Bruce L. Bergman" <brucenospambergman@gmail.invalid> wrote...
All those tiny reflective particles in the paint have to be laid
down in the same direction and the same thickness as the paint that is
on the car now, which is tricky. Get it wrong and the patch will
stand out big time, and the whole panel will need to be resprayed.
Why would he be painting the panel? The bumper cover was damaged,
not the panel.
Ted
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Okay, the entire bumper cover, smart ass. >_< You have to mask at
a convenient parting line, and the gap between the bumper cover and
the body is your only choice here.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:16:30 -0500, Puddin' Man wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:49:56 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
It takes some time and elbow grease to do the prep and paint repair,
but it can be done DIY - 90% of the cost is labor. First step is to
go to the local auto parts that mixes auto paint and sells supplies to
auto painters in your area. NAPA stores usually have one per region
that does this.
OK ...
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But it could e another store - Look in the yellow pages and/or call
around.
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They have the special fillers and glazing putties to fill in the
small scratches and build up the edges, special primers to build the
entire surface even with the paint. And the fine grades of wet-dry
sandpaper to block sand it for painting.
When they mix you a pint of matching car paint for use on the
bumper, they have to add a flex agent so it will resist cracking if
the bumper cover bends. Don't use that paint mix elsewhere, or it
won't set up hard.
I got no Binks gun ...
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Don't need one. If it's a small enough repair, you can use a Preval
Sprayer which is a cross between a rattle can and a spray gun. Runs
off a can of propellant.
Or you can go buy or rent a small "pancake" oilless air compressor
and a cheapie touch-up gun. You can get out of Harbor Freight for
under $100, just don't expect them to hold up to heavy use.
The compressor is also good for filing tires and other stuff around
the house.
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(Unless you want them to mix up a full quart, then portion off a
half-pint and add the flex agent to that. Then you'll have some
custom touch-up for later.)
I got no compressor (sigh) ...
You'll probably spend $25 to $75 on supplies depending on what you
already own, and the same to have the paint mixed - but the results
are only limited by how good a job you do on the prep work BEFORE the
color-coat paint goes on.
I'm kinda used to surface-prep on painted metal like on older cars, but
I've never worked on their "Plastic Wonders" ...
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The only difference is you have to plan on it moving a bit - you
can't just use Bondo and regular glazing putty, because it won't flex.
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I'll try part of what you suggest if I can find a truly knowledgable
NAPA body/paint guy. But I fear if he's used to serving pros he'll
not wanna nursemaid po' me. 
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They will - your money is just as green as the body shop guy's.
And if you don't want to bug the paint guy, you can call the paint
maker or check their website for instructions.
You have to match what's on the car now, and some new cars use a
water based paint that requires different techniques.
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I might be stuck with using Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades,
etc). Anybody know of a good long-lasting aerosol clear-coat to go
over the Duplicolor?
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You can have them sell you a pint or quart of the right clear-coat
at the same time. Get the color coat right, let it cure long enough
so you can sand it out and call it 'done', then you can spray the
clear-coat.
You usually have to put on multiple real thin coats of Clear with
drying time in between, try to spray it heavy and it will sag and run.
Then you have to sand out the runs.
--<< Bruce >>-- |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:07:13 -0500, "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net
wrote:
actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly, your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my
father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from rite
on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a
poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle
can,
and you will not see it at all.
No problem with Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades, etc).
Anybody know of a good long lasting clear-coat to go over the Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
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Have you called around to the wreckers? Bumper covers are quite
often available in the exact same factory color that your car came with.
Unless your under the impression that out of the millions of cars that
the automaker made, that yours only, has a unique paint color.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:49:56 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:38:11 -0500, Puddin' Man
puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote:
Right corner of rear bumper, red '94 TBird. No breaks in the bumper
cover, some minor scars, maybe 1 sq. foot of finish stripped off,
leaving black-looking surface exposed.
I parked in the 3rd slot to side of my super-mkt, where no cars
were. 40 min. later, still no cars except my damaged ThunderChicken.
Dealers estimate is $520. $250 deductable. I 'spect I'll have to
repair myself.
Any body wrestled with such an alligator? Tips, suggestions, etc??
It takes some time and elbow grease to do the prep and paint repair,
but it can be done DIY - 90% of the cost is labor. First step is to
go to the local auto parts that mixes auto paint and sells supplies to
auto painters in your area. NAPA stores usually have one per region
that does this.
OK ...
They have the special fillers and glazing putties to fill in the
small scratches and build up the edges, special primers to build the
entire surface even with the paint. And the fine grades of wet-dry
sandpaper to block sand it for painting.
When they mix you a pint of matching car paint for use on the
bumper, they have to add a flex agent so it will resist cracking if
the bumper cover bends. Don't use that paint mix elsewhere, or it
won't set up hard.
I got no Binks gun ...
(Unless you want them to mix up a full quart, then portion off a
half-pint and add the flex agent to that. Then you'll have some
custom touch-up for later.)
I got no compressor (sigh) ...
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You don't really need a gun or compressor for that small an area. We used
these where I used to work:
http://www.tptools.com/p/1612,64_Preval-Professional-Portable-Sprayer.html
They spray a good pattern, and should work fine for your application.
Bondo makes a good flexible filler kit. I used some on my '89 Probe way back
in '94, and it was still in place when I traded it in 2000.
Have fun!
SC Tom |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:05:01 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:07:13 -0500, "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net
wrote:
actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly, your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my
father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from rite
on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a
poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle
can,
and you will not see it at all.
No problem with Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades, etc).
Anybody know of a good long lasting clear-coat to go over the Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
Have you called around to the wreckers? Bumper covers are quite
often available in the exact same factory color that your car came with.
Unless your under the impression that out of the millions of cars that
the automaker made, that yours only, has a unique paint color.
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Is not unique, but is one of many, many colors used for that model and
year.
The junkyard(s) that could tell me by phone if they had the bumper
in my color code are the junkyard(s) that want too much $ for 'em.
The DIY yards generally have beat-up junk and no clue re color
codes.
P
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:36:07 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
and it don't cost an eyeball and a testicle ...
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Bondo makes a good flexible filler kit. I used some on my '89 Probe way back
in '94, and it was still in place when I traded it in 2000.
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Thanks, SC Tom. That's the kinda info I was after.
Second only to a fire-hose enema on the fun-rating scale ... :-)
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