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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:36:07 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
I got no compressor (sigh) ...
You don't really need a gun or compressor for that small an area. We used
these where I used to work:
http://www.tptools.com/p/1612,64_Preval-Professional-Portable-Sprayer.html
They spray a good pattern, and should work fine for your application.
and it don't cost an eyeball and a testicle ...
Bondo makes a good flexible filler kit. I used some on my '89 Probe way
back
in '94, and it was still in place when I traded it in 2000.
Thanks, SC Tom. That's the kinda info I was after.
Have fun!
Second only to a fire-hose enema on the fun-rating scale ... :-)
P
" ... and the bees made honey in the lion's head."
- from "If I Had My Way", Blind Willie Johnson
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You're more than welcome! Let us know how it works out.
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:05:01 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:07:13 -0500, "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net
wrote:
actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly,
your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot
at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my
father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from
rite
on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a
poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle
can,
and you will not see it at all.
No problem with Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades, etc).
Anybody know of a good long lasting clear-coat to go over the
Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
Have you called around to the wreckers? Bumper covers are quite
often available in the exact same factory color that your car came with.
Unless your under the impression that out of the millions of cars that
the automaker made, that yours only, has a unique paint color.
Is not unique, but is one of many, many colors used for that model and
year.
The junkyard(s) that could tell me by phone if they had the bumper
in my color code are the junkyard(s) that want too much $ for 'em.
The DIY yards generally have beat-up junk and no clue re color
codes.
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Been there done that. Neither of these are valid excuses. Unless you
have 100 wreckers within driving distance, you can probably count
the DIY yards on the fingers of two hands. Visiting all of them can be
done on the weekend if you get up early, and you said your retired
in any case.
You don't want to body-putty a flexible bumper cover. I've seen it
done by a pro, and yes you can't tell it was done by looking at it -
but if someone runs a shopping cart into it, it will crack and
look like crap. You can get a flexible bumper cover that is
-lighter- than your paint job that needs no filling from a DIY yard
for less than it would cost to pay a pro to fill it. Then just wet sand
the whole thing with fine grit to give the paint something to grab, rattle
can the whole thing with color that's intended to stay flexible, rattle
can it with flexible clear, give it a couple weeks in the summer sun to
cure, and
remount it. Sure the color won't be an exact match, but since it is a
bumper cover that is a separate item, few people will notice.
Auto painting is one of those things that you either make a commitment
to do it like the professionals do it, and get all the gear, get space set
aside that's dedicated to it, get all the materials, or you rattle-can it
and forget about the looks. And as was said, if you rattle-can it and
do it carefully, your the only one who is going to notice the flaws.
Ted |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" <blnospambergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:09:55 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
"Bruce L. Bergman" <brucenospambergman@gmail.invalid> wrote...
All those tiny reflective particles in the paint have to be laid
down in the same direction and the same thickness as the paint that is
on the car now, which is tricky. Get it wrong and the patch will
stand out big time, and the whole panel will need to be resprayed.
Why would he be painting the panel? The bumper cover was damaged,
not the panel.
Ted
Okay, the entire bumper cover, smart ass. >_< You have to mask at
a convenient parting line, and the gap between the bumper cover and
the body is your only choice here.
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It's easier to just remove the bumper and remove the cover and make up
a makeshift paint booth with a couple of big cardboard boxes, and spray
it. Since your not having to worry about overspray, you can concentrate
on doing it right, and you can keep the cooties off of it while it's drying.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:53:47 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:05:01 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:07:13 -0500, "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net
wrote:
actually, if you get the proper color paint, and prep it properly,
your
thunder chicken bumper will be hard pressed to show the offending spot
at
all. we did just this to the bumpers on the 99 crown vic i gave to my
father
a few months ago, and you can not see any of the touchup spots from
rite
on
top of it.
when i made the 10 foot comment, i was referring to the fact that a
poorly
prepared job will not be seen from 10 ft. properly done with a rattle
can,
and you will not see it at all.
No problem with Duplicolor, but it doesn't last (fades, etc).
Anybody know of a good long lasting clear-coat to go over the
Duplicolor?
Anybody know of a good generally available plastic bumper cover
filler product with good instructions? Name of product, please.
Have you called around to the wreckers? Bumper covers are quite
often available in the exact same factory color that your car came with.
Unless your under the impression that out of the millions of cars that
the automaker made, that yours only, has a unique paint color.
Is not unique, but is one of many, many colors used for that model and
year.
The junkyard(s) that could tell me by phone if they had the bumper
in my color code are the junkyard(s) that want too much $ for 'em.
The DIY yards generally have beat-up junk and no clue re color
codes.
Been there done that. Neither of these are valid excuses. Unless you
have 100 wreckers within driving distance, you can probably count
the DIY yards on the fingers of two hands. Visiting all of them can be
done on the weekend if you get up early, and you said your retired
in any case.
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Ted, I'll make you a deal you shouldn't be able to refuse: I'll
assume you -know- the junkyards in *your* area ... if you'll
only assume I -know- the junkyards in *my* area. :-)
One pisses around DIY junkyards if one has an expectation of
finding what one needs. If the expectation doesn't exist, one
finds another way.
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You don't want to body-putty a flexible bumper cover. I've seen it
done by a pro, and yes you can't tell it was done by looking at it -
but if someone runs a shopping cart into it, it will crack and
look like crap. You can get a flexible bumper cover that is
-lighter- than your paint job that needs no filling from a DIY yard
for less than it would cost to pay a pro to fill it. Then just wet sand
the whole thing with fine grit to give the paint something to grab, rattle
can the whole thing with color that's intended to stay flexible, rattle
can it with flexible clear, give it a couple weeks in the summer sun to
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"a couple weeks"? "in the summer sun"??
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cure, and
remount it. Sure the color won't be an exact match, but since it is a
bumper cover that is a separate item, few people will notice.
Auto painting is one of those things that you either make a commitment
to do it like the professionals do it, and get all the gear, get space set
aside that's dedicated to it, get all the materials,
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Why you think the pros are "Pros"? 'Cause they got a zillion dollars in
equipment and tons of skill/experience is why. I can't compete with that.
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or you rattle-can it
and forget about the looks.
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Either all Black. Or all White. Eh? Eh??
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And as was said, if you rattle-can it and
do it carefully, your the only one who is going to notice the flaws.
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"Carefully" I can manage. I'll do the best I can with what I got.
Might take a while: my garage is like a flogging blast-furnace.
P
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Minor repair to plastic bumper cover |
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"Puddin' Man" <puddingDOTman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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One pisses around DIY junkyards if one has an expectation of
finding what one needs. If the expectation doesn't exist, one
finds another way.
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junkyards have stuff coming in an out all the time. When I've
been looking for body parts in the past (thankfully not recently)
I've had to sometimes call every week for a couple months before
what I wanted came in.
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You don't want to body-putty a flexible bumper cover. I've seen it
done by a pro, and yes you can't tell it was done by looking at it -
but if someone runs a shopping cart into it, it will crack and
look like crap. You can get a flexible bumper cover that is
-lighter- than your paint job that needs no filling from a DIY yard
for less than it would cost to pay a pro to fill it. Then just wet sand
the whole thing with fine grit to give the paint something to grab,
rattle
can the whole thing with color that's intended to stay flexible, rattle
can it with flexible clear, give it a couple weeks in the summer sun to
"a couple weeks"? "in the summer sun"??
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Well, you can do like most people and just mount the thing 24 hours
later, just don't come crying to me when you find scrapes on it a
week later. Paint doesen't just dry, meaning the carrier evaporates
out of it and then it's done. Once it 'dries' that's just the beginning
of the actual curing process. Automakers use IR ovens to hasten
the curing process, but even so, the paint still is curing after the
car leaves the factory and is not up to full strength.
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Auto painting is one of those things that you either make a commitment
to do it like the professionals do it, and get all the gear, get space
set
aside that's dedicated to it, get all the materials,
Why you think the pros are "Pros"? 'Cause they got a zillion dollars in
equipment and tons of skill/experience is why. I can't compete with that.
or you rattle-can it
and forget about the looks.
Either all Black. Or all White. Eh? Eh??
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Well you can do that too. My experience though is that if your color
coat is close enough most people won't notice that it's a separate
shade than the rest of the vehicle.
What you -don't- what to try doing is spotpaint from a rattle can.
Do the whole bumper. That way the difference in shade will
not stick out like a sore thumb.
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And as was said, if you rattle-can it and
do it carefully, your the only one who is going to notice the flaws.
"Carefully" I can manage. I'll do the best I can with what I got.
Might take a while: my garage is like a flogging blast-furnace.
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Unless you have breathing apparatus you don't want to paint in
an enclosed garage. Unless your painting water-based latex
house paint or something. Do it outside with the item covered so
the bugs can't drop on it.
Ted |
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