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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Taurus: bent strut? |
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My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
front and across the front tire. It bent the inner tie rod end, then it
drove for awhile then broke. i replaced it. the wheel is canted slightly
in at the top (negative camber). It does not appear the strut tower got
bent. The strut adjustment is fixed, unless i drill out the welds at
the top of the strut tower. What are the chances that during this hit,
the strut cartridge itself bent, and is adding to the negative camber on
this wheel? It does not look bent, the tire is leaning 2/4 degrees
aprox. I am just patching this car until i get another one, so i don't
want to put big money in it. I do have another set of used struts if
a bent strut is the cause
As a sidebar, the inner tie rod end was a bitch to change. I rented
a tool at O'Reilies. The dam screw that locks the tool down to the tie
rod will only turn 2/3 the way until it hits the motor mount when
removing. What a pain.
bob
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
front and across the front tire.
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IMO, the answer is to have a competent shop check the alignment.
Know where you are starting from. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:56:31 -0500, bob urz <sound@inetnebr.com>
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My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
front and across the front tire. It bent the inner tie rod end, then it
drove for awhile then broke. i replaced it. the wheel is canted slightly
in at the top (negative camber). It does not appear the strut tower got
bent. The strut adjustment is fixed, unless i drill out the welds at
the top of the strut tower. What are the chances that during this hit,
the strut cartridge itself bent, and is adding to the negative camber on
this wheel? It does not look bent, the tire is leaning 2/4 degrees
aprox. I am just patching this car until i get another one, so i don't
want to put big money in it. I do have another set of used struts if
a bent strut is the cause
As a sidebar, the inner tie rod end was a bitch to change. I rented
a tool at O'Reilies. The dam screw that locks the tool down to the tie
rod will only turn 2/3 the way until it hits the motor mount when
removing. What a pain.
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"Got hit" seems to imply it got hit by another vehicle. Any reason
why insurance isn't paying a competent repair shop to fix the thing? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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| My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
| front and across the front tire.
<snip>
You probably already realize this, being the one maintaining this
"vehicle"...
That car was bent coming from the factory! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
front and across the front tire. It bent the inner tie rod end, then it
drove for awhile then broke. i replaced it. the wheel is canted slightly
in at the top (negative camber). It does not appear the strut tower got
bent. The strut adjustment is fixed, unless i drill out the welds at
the top of the strut tower. What are the chances that during this hit,
the strut cartridge itself bent, and is adding to the negative camber on
this wheel? It does not look bent, the tire is leaning 2/4 degrees aprox.
I am just patching this car until i get another one, so i don't want to
put big money in it. I do have another set of used struts if
a bent strut is the cause
As a sidebar, the inner tie rod end was a bitch to change. I rented
a tool at O'Reilies. The dam screw that locks the tool down to the tie rod
will only turn 2/3 the way until it hits the motor mount when removing.
What a pain.
bob
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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I was gonna come in with something really ignorant... and thought the better
of it. But I'm still going to forge ahead.....
It's only your wifes beater, so why worry? My wife drives a low miles 05
Mustang vert... I prolly treat her a lot better than she deserves...
God knows all she needs is an old shopping cart.... If she bent anything,
I'd be concerned... if not for her safety - aty leat for the cost of any
tires that might be prematurely worn....
Since it is only my wifes car, it certainly doesn't need to be hooked up to
any of this fancy shit or checked to be sure it is safe to drive... That old
squack can fucking well put up with whatever I decide she deserves... I've
already spent too much on parts without actually thinking about what I'm
doing...
IT DROVE FOR A WHILE AND THEN BROKE...
I might be in a bad mood tonight... But if this isn't badly written then it
is absolute horseshit.
"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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My wife's 93 wagon got hit slightly in the front passenger side just in
front and across the front tire. It bent the inner tie rod end, then it
drove for awhile then broke. i replaced it. the wheel is canted slightly
in at the top (negative camber). It does not appear the strut tower got
bent. The strut adjustment is fixed, unless i drill out the welds at
the top of the strut tower. What are the chances that during this hit,
the strut cartridge itself bent, and is adding to the negative camber on
this wheel? It does not look bent, the tire is leaning 2/4 degrees aprox.
I am just patching this car until i get another one, so i don't want to
put big money in it. I do have another set of used struts if
a bent strut is the cause
As a sidebar, the inner tie rod end was a bitch to change. I rented
a tool at O'Reilies. The dam screw that locks the tool down to the tie rod
will only turn 2/3 the way until it hits the motor mount when removing.
What a pain.
bob
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote:
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I was gonna come in with something really ignorant... and thought the better
of it. But I'm still going to forge ahead.....
It's only your wifes beater, so why worry? My wife drives a low miles 05
Mustang vert... I prolly treat her a lot better than she deserves...
God knows all she needs is an old shopping cart.... If she bent anything,
I'd be concerned... if not for her safety - aty leat for the cost of any
tires that might be prematurely worn....
Since it is only my wifes car, it certainly doesn't need to be hooked up to
any of this fancy shit or checked to be sure it is safe to drive... That old
squack can fucking well put up with whatever I decide she deserves... I've
already spent too much on parts without actually thinking about what I'm
doing...
IT DROVE FOR A WHILE AND THEN BROKE...
I might be in a bad mood tonight... But if this isn't badly written then it
is absolute horseshit.
I am thrilled that your wife can drive around in a 05. |
You deserve a medal......
Me, i am the ONLY one working in a household of 5. lucky to make
the house payment and buy food anymore. Yea, i am on the bailing wire
program. If you would like to come down and loan me that 05 i would
gladly take it until i can put the car safely back together.
And maybe a little longer since my truck is broke too with
a bad 2.2 engine and i have an old loaner car to get to work from
a relative.
The car was hit and run. So there is NO insurance. I did not know
the inner tierod was bent until it broke. I pieced this car through
8 lives already with salvage and auto store parts. ITs on life #9
until i can afford to get something else.
Tools i have, and parts are cheaper if i buy them and put them on.
I do have spare struts from another car. New struts and springs
are more than the cars worth. The question i posed was has anyone seen a
strut bent that cased the negative camber situation as i described.
Shops don't want to screw with a car like this anyway
and called it unalignable.
The car is driving now. I got the alignment as close as possible
and it pulls slightly to the right. I am just looking for a little
help to see what route i should try next. I would prefer not to drill
the strut tower out if the strut itself is bent. Visually, its
hard to tell. It seems to me i would see some hood alignment issues
if the strut tower itself were bent.
What is "absolute horseshit" is worrying about were your next meal is
coming from. Or if you have the money to Band-Aid the car or buy gas.
I just came out of a storm where we lost power for 6 days and lost
most of the food we had. I did not come here asking for sympathy,
just a little help. And i give it when i know it.
bob
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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I was gonna come in with something really ignorant... and thought the
better
of it. But I'm still going to forge ahead.....
It's only your wifes beater, so why worry? My wife drives a low miles 05
Mustang vert... I prolly treat her a lot better than she deserves...
God knows all she needs is an old shopping cart.... If she bent anything,
I'd be concerned... if not for her safety - aty leat for the cost of any
tires that might be prematurely worn....
Since it is only my wifes car, it certainly doesn't need to be hooked up
to
any of this fancy shit or checked to be sure it is safe to drive... That
old
squack can fucking well put up with whatever I decide she deserves... I've
already spent too much on parts without actually thinking about what I'm
doing...
IT DROVE FOR A WHILE AND THEN BROKE...
I might be in a bad mood tonight... But if this isn't badly written then
it
is absolute horseshit.
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It made me laugh,
Ted |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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The car was hit and run. So there is NO insurance.
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What state are you in?
In Oregon, by law ALL car insurance policies must carry uninsured
motorist coverage. Which pays out in the event of a hit and run,
or in the event that the person who hit you didn't have insurance, or
his insurance company was a scam, etc. And auto insurance is
mandatory in this state.
If you haven't checked with your insurance agent and are just
making assumptions it could be pretty expensive.
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I did not know
the inner tierod was bent until it broke. I pieced this car through
8 lives already with salvage and auto store parts. ITs on life #9
until i can afford to get something else.
Tools i have, and parts are cheaper if i buy them and put them on.
I do have spare struts from another car. New struts and springs
are more than the cars worth. The question i posed was has anyone seen a
strut bent that cased the negative camber situation as i described.
Shops don't want to screw with a car like this anyway
and called it unalignable.
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It's only unalignable if you have loose spindles or bearings or
rod ends or some such. Because whatever alignment you set
will just go right out again when stuff shifts. Otherwise it is
alignable, insofar that it will take an alignment of some kind.
It may not, though, be able to go back into the manufacturers
alignment.
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The car is driving now. I got the alignment as close as possible
and it pulls slightly to the right. I am just looking for a little
help to see what route i should try next. I would prefer not to drill
the strut tower out if the strut itself is bent. Visually, its
hard to tell. It seems to me i would see some hood alignment issues
if the strut tower itself were bent.
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I think you should align it with a tape measure and masking tape on
a flat surface somewhere. Then after that, watch the tire wear patterns
on the front tires very closely. And make sure that you test drive it
on a wet surface to see if it is really unexpected and unsafe handling.
It's probably no worse out of alignment than half of the cars on the
road.
My experience is that it is very rare with a 15 year old car that it's
worth paying for someone to repair it after it's been in a collision. If
you
can pry, bend, hammer, jack, wedge or whatever the vehicle back into
some semblance of order, then drive it until the engine blows up. But,
right
now the used market is flooded with cars so you can get a replacement cheap.
So, drive it until there's major engine trouble then haul it to the
wrecker.
It really doesen't matter if it pulls to the right a bit. What matters is
if
whatever it causing that is wearing out your tires.
Ted |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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Shops don't want to screw with a car like this anyway
and called it unalignable.
The car is driving now. I got the alignment as close as possible
and it pulls slightly to the right. I am just looking for a little
help to see what route i should try next. I would prefer not to drill
the strut tower out if the strut itself is bent. Visually, its
hard to tell. It seems to me i would see some hood alignment issues
if the strut tower itself were bent.
bob
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It is possible to align practically any car, although, as you are pressed
for cash,
it may not be practical in your case.
I have to agree with Ted. Check to be sure nothing important is broken and
dangerous, and do a string alignment or similar. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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bob.. I feel for your situation... but, consider this... I am a grade 8 drop
out.... I bust my chops.... I worked hard to get where I am and I work hard
to stay there.... I was self employed for many years - right up until I very
nearly lost my wife to complications from Crohns disease... Our health care
system let us down and we slipped through the cracks in social assistance...
I lost my business and sold my assets for pennies on the dollar... My meagre
retirement savings plan was reduced to zero in less than a year.... we moved
from one oilpatch town back to another town we had lived in previously (with
no immediate family in either)...
My wife is better.... been a few years since we needed the wheelchair but
the Crohns disease will never go away... We live every day as if it were our
last... and that means give it 110%. We can moan about what life has dealt
us or we can change what life has dealt us... one doesn't take any more work
than the other.
Cars are machines.... if we wait for them to tell us they hurt, they might
do that by killing us or some of our loved ones... Careful inspection and
proper maintenance is vitally important.... If we don't, the car will feel
no regret taking one or more lives....
I'm sorry, folks.... if we cannot maintain a vehicle properly, we cannot
afford that vehicle.... You turn your life into a gamble every time you
drive....
And I shudder to think that these cars share the road with people I love and
admire..
"bob urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote:
I was gonna come in with something really ignorant... and thought the
better of it. But I'm still going to forge ahead.....
It's only your wifes beater, so why worry? My wife drives a low miles 05
Mustang vert... I prolly treat her a lot better than she deserves...
God knows all she needs is an old shopping cart.... If she bent anything,
I'd be concerned... if not for her safety - aty leat for the cost of any
tires that might be prematurely worn....
Since it is only my wifes car, it certainly doesn't need to be hooked up
to any of this fancy shit or checked to be sure it is safe to drive...
That old squack can fucking well put up with whatever I decide she
deserves... I've already spent too much on parts without actually
thinking about what I'm doing...
IT DROVE FOR A WHILE AND THEN BROKE...
I might be in a bad mood tonight... But if this isn't badly written then
it is absolute horseshit.
I am thrilled that your wife can drive around in a 05.
You deserve a medal......
Me, i am the ONLY one working in a household of 5. lucky to make
the house payment and buy food anymore. Yea, i am on the bailing wire
program. If you would like to come down and loan me that 05 i would
gladly take it until i can put the car safely back together.
And maybe a little longer since my truck is broke too with
a bad 2.2 engine and i have an old loaner car to get to work from
a relative.
The car was hit and run. So there is NO insurance. I did not know
the inner tierod was bent until it broke. I pieced this car through
8 lives already with salvage and auto store parts. ITs on life #9
until i can afford to get something else.
Tools i have, and parts are cheaper if i buy them and put them on.
I do have spare struts from another car. New struts and springs
are more than the cars worth. The question i posed was has anyone seen a
strut bent that cased the negative camber situation as i described. Shops
don't want to screw with a car like this anyway
and called it unalignable.
The car is driving now. I got the alignment as close as possible
and it pulls slightly to the right. I am just looking for a little
help to see what route i should try next. I would prefer not to drill
the strut tower out if the strut itself is bent. Visually, its
hard to tell. It seems to me i would see some hood alignment issues
if the strut tower itself were bent.
What is "absolute horseshit" is worrying about were your next meal is
coming from. Or if you have the money to Band-Aid the car or buy gas.
I just came out of a storm where we lost power for 6 days and lost
most of the food we had. I did not come here asking for sympathy,
just a little help. And i give it when i know it.
bob
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Taurus: bent strut? |
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<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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Cars are machines.... if we wait for them to tell us they hurt, they might
do that by killing us or some of our loved ones... Careful inspection and
proper maintenance is vitally important.... If we don't, the car will feel
no regret taking one or more lives....
I'm sorry, folks.... if we cannot maintain a vehicle properly, we cannot
afford that vehicle.... You turn your life into a gamble every time you
drive....
And I shudder to think that these cars share the road with people I love
and
admire..
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I am far, far more concerned with the quality of driver in those cars
than the cars themselves. A good driver can handle most car problems
that would be dangerous, ie: blowouts, loss of steering, loss of brakes,
etc. by not panicing and knowing what to do. A bad driver can't even
handle the machine when it is in properly running condition.
It is an extremely small minority of accidents that are directly
attributable
to vehicle failure, and of those that are confirmed to be, the majority
would
have not happened if the driver wasn't being stupid.
The vast majority are caused by drivers who are stupid and/or ignorant.
For example, guy falls asleep and drives off the road - that's ignorance.
Too ignorant to have learned that driving while overtired is dangerous.
For example, guy gets drunk and crashes his car, that's stupidity, as
in guy does not have enough brain cells to take precautions before
going drinking, or even to just get into his car, and lay down on the
seat and go to sleep for a couple hours. For example, girl has a
blowout and immediately slams on the brakes - that's ignorance.
For example, guy speeds and goes around a corner too fast and
rolls it - that's both stupidity and ignorance.
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