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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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John Carrier wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank
must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
(although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
engines.
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
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Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM ;-)
R / John |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:12:36 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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John Carrier wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
(although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
engines.
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
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Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s
Total crap but nice ideas.
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Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:21:33 -0500, "John Carrier" <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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John Carrier wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank
must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
(although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
engines.
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM ;-)
R / John
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By which time there have thrown a couple of rods and dumped the oil on the floor
- unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine.
--
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg@h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK |
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John Carrier
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM
;-)
R / John
By which time there have thrown a couple of rods and dumped the oil on the
floor
- unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine.
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My point exactly. They were touching 20,000 RPM prior to the engine design
limits imposed.
R / John |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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In article <4l57741afjvjlfsp12s9l4tujd2k89cg6k@4ax.com>,
<hsg@h-gee.co.uk> wrote:
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The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early
80s
Total crap but nice ideas.
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Volvo used the same idea. May still do.
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*I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Tom K.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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Tom K. wrote:
"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the
transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300.
Ironically, fitting a long motor transversely may be easier with
motorcycles than with cars. With motorcycles, there is no "hard
limit" to how wide the motor can be.
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Unless one is in one of the areas where lane splitting is legal!
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dizzy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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hsg@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:12:36 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s
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There are some exceptions, yes. Suzuki recently put in I6 in the
Verona, for example, and Volvo has too, as Dave mentioned. |
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Alan B. Mac Farlane
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small repair
list on the internet BMW history.
Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...
First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.
Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security system,
stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.
Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.
Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as electrical
faults that come and go are not fix able usually.
Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.
Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:)
in article 1mSbk.97567$102.52497@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, IceMan
at badminirals@worldnet.att.net wrote on 7/5/08 3:13 PM:
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I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended
warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this
series?
Appreciate your help
thanks |
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Scott Dorsey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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Alan B. Mac Farlane <alanb@sonic.net> wrote:
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Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.
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So change the lamp socket.
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Jeff Strickland
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6.
It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car.
Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250 per
year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures.
I'd consider a different specimen.
"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
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I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small
repair
list on the internet BMW history.
Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...
First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.
Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security
system,
stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.
Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn
the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice
as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.
Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as
electrical
faults that come and go are not fix able usually.
Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.
Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:)
in article 1mSbk.97567$102.52497@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
IceMan
at badminirals@worldnet.att.net wrote on 7/5/08 3:13 PM:
I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering
extended
warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with
this
series?
Appreciate your help
thanks
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John Carrier
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
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I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
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Not really. 2000 was the last year of 528i production. In 2001 BMW
introduced the 530i with more displacement and somewhat different technology
for the valve gear.
The 528i started rolling off the assembly line in 1996 (it was a 97 model in
the US). "Beta" version of a car? Well, that's an inventive description.
Actually, there are a number of test mules that do (literally) millions of
miles before the first production car. Yours would not be one of these.
Given it's 2008 and the E39s successor is getting old in the tooth, I
wouldn't call it new technology.
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Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small
repair
list on the internet BMW history.
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True, true. Fairly high mileage for a 2000.
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Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...
First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.
Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security
system,
stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.
Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn
the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice
as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.
Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as
electrical
faults that come and go are not fix able usually.
Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.
Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.
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You might try cleaning the contacts of the tail light socket, insure there's
no corrosion. I'd also check the battery charge and charging system,
sometimes low voltage will lead to curious and non-repeatable problems with
the various electronics in the car.
R / John |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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In article <C49C0A70.532F7%alanb@sonic.net>,
Alan B. Mac Farlane <alanb@sonic.net> wrote:
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I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
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What do you mean? My 528 is '97.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6.
It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car.
Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250 per
year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures.
I'd consider a different specimen.
That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6.
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That actually might not be *such* a bad idea...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6.
It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car.
Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250 per
year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures.
I'd consider a different specimen.
That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6. |
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"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:C49C0A70.532F7%alanb@sonic.net...
I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small
repair
list on the internet BMW history.
Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...
First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.
Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security
system,
stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.
Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the
right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn
the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice
as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more
problems.
Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as
electrical
faults that come and go are not fix able usually.
Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.
Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:)
in article 1mSbk.97567$102.52497@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
IceMan
at badminirals@worldnet.att.net wrote on 7/5/08 3:13 PM:
I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering
extended
warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with
this
series?
Appreciate your help
thanks
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Jeff Strickland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
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There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6.
It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car.
Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250
per year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures.
I'd consider a different specimen.
That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6.
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Never heard of such a thing. Please tell me more.
It is still a high mileage car though, and you can't get around that. |
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