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Dean Dark
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:25:38 +0100, hsg@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:13:18 GMT, "IceMan" <badminirals@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended
warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this
series?
You'll have a bloody long wait to find one - BMW have never made a V6 -
probably have but NEVER put it in a car.
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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In article <g4re2v$4h3$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
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John Carrier <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance.
The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have
been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and
the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing.
Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder
inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very
long hood. --scott
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And ignition timing problems. ;-)
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Scott Dorsey
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <g4re2v$4h3$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
John Carrier <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance.
The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have
been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and
the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing.
Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder
inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very
long hood.
And ignition timing problems. ;-)
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Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize
six carbs....
--scott
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Tom K.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g4re2v$4h3$1@panix2.panix.com...
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John Carrier <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank
must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder inline
designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very long
hood.
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The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and
Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8
after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the
inline twelves - who built them?
Tom K. |
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John Carrier
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4fbad8cec0dave@davenoise.co.uk...
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In article <g4re2v$4h3$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
John Carrier <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance.
The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have
been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and
the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing.
Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder
inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very
long hood. --scott
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Okay, I'll bite. I know of numerous I-8's, V-12's and V-16's. Who made an
I-12?
R / John |
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John Carrier
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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SNIP
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Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize
six carbs....
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And God created the unisyn/
R / John |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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In article <g4rhlj$9p0$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <g4re2v$4h3$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
John Carrier <jxc2@comcast.net> wrote:
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance.
The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have
been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and
the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing.
Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder
inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very,
very long hood.
And ignition timing problems. ;-)
Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize
six carbs....
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And you a sound engineer. You just match the hiss. ;-)
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Scott Dorsey
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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Tom K. <tkorth1@comcast.net> wrote:
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The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and
Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8
after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the
inline twelves - who built them?
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I believe at least Hispano-Suiza made one. There were a bunch of early
aircraft inline twelves too, including the Fiat A.30RA and the Daimler DB603.
--scott
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:50:21 -0400, Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net>
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:25:38 +0100, hsg@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:13:18 GMT, "IceMan" <badminirals@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended
warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this
series?
You'll have a bloody long wait to find one - BMW have never made a V6 -
probably have but NEVER put it in a car.
"A day late, and a dollar short" as they say on the left side of the
pond.
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Not in fact because it didn't go when I sent it for some strange reason - I sent
this when there were no other answers or replies as a tongue in cheek jokey
response however when I shut down yesterday it told me that there was 1 item to
post so I told it to send it and here it is a day late as you said but
unintended.
Hugh
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The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
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Tom K.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g4t9ag$35n$1@panix2.panix.com...
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Tom K. <tkorth1@comcast.net> wrote:
The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and
Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8
after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the
inline twelves - who built them?
I believe at least Hispano-Suiza made one. There were a bunch of early
aircraft inline twelves too, including the Fiat A.30RA and the Daimler
DB603.
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The Hispano-Suiza J-12 model was powered by a V-12 and unlike the ones you
mention, Hispano's aircraft 12 cylinder motors were also in a V
configuration.
Maybe you were thinking of the current Wartsila-Sulzer?
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
Tom K. |
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dizzy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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John Carrier wrote:
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The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
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Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
(although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
engines.
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. |
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Tom K.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
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Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the
transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300.
Tom K. |
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dizzy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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Tom K. wrote:
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the
transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300.
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Ironically, fitting a long motor transversely may be easier with
motorcycles than with cars. With motorcycles, there is no "hard
limit" to how wide the motor can be. With cars, there's the shocks
and wheel-wells there. Additionally, motorcycles are designed with
the clutch and transmission completely behind the motor. With cars,
the clutch and transmission are inline with the crankshaft, which is
most efficient. |
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Jed
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:13:19 -0400, "Tom K." <tkorth1@comcast.net>
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g4t9ag$35n$1@panix2.panix.com...
Tom K. <tkorth1@comcast.net> wrote:
The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and
Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8
after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the
inline twelves - who built them?
I believe at least Hispano-Suiza made one. There were a bunch of early
aircraft inline twelves too, including the Fiat A.30RA and the Daimler
DB603.
The Hispano-Suiza J-12 model was powered by a V-12 and unlike the ones you
mention, Hispano's aircraft 12 cylinder motors were also in a V
configuration.
Maybe you were thinking of the current Wartsila-Sulzer?
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
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Have BMW ever experimented with a boxer alignment in a vehicle, other
than a motorcycle, like Alfa Romeo?
I drove a white '92 Alfa 33 QV for several years while working in
Holland and enjoyed the car quite a lot. I had none of the infamous
Alfa probems over a span of about 3.5 years. |
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Dean Dark
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Considering a used BMW 530i V6 ... A bit on 6 cylinder e |
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:30:44 -0700, Jed
<zyzygy@plenipôtentiary.com.invalid> wrote:
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Have BMW ever experimented with a boxer alignment in a vehicle, other
than a motorcycle, like Alfa Romeo?
I drove a white '92 Alfa 33 QV for several years while working in
Holland and enjoyed the car quite a lot. I had none of the infamous
Alfa probems over a span of about 3.5 years.
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Well, there's flat engines and there's boxers but most flat engines
actually aren't boxers.
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