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Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Erik Guest Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil In article <cc7e4c4f-26f0-462c-864f-40b270fd35c8@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClellan@gmail.com wrote: Quote: Hello, I am having the same problem with 93 ford festiva. I have been working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and still no luck. Have you found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in circles. Just a shot in the dark here... is your timing belt ok? Does the distributor shaft rotate when you crank the engine with the cap removed? Erik Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 3, 2:53 am, Erik <e...@spam.this> wrote: Quote: In article cc7e4c4f-26f0-462c-864f-40b270fd3...@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am having the same problem with93fordfestiva. I have been working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and stillnoluck. Have you found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in circles. Just a shot in the dark here... is your timing belt ok? Does the distributor shaft rotate when you crank the engine with the cap removed? Erik I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank you for the idea, any more? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 3, 10:44 am, I. Care <ic...@spamthis.com> wrote: Quote: In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46- d0b5454b6...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClel...@gmail.com says...> I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank you for the idea, any more? I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending unit cut off ignition if it thinks there isnopressure? -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} I really dont know, but that is something I could check on. Thanks for the thought. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor I. Care Guest Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46- d0b5454b6a1e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClellan@gmail.com says... Quote: I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank you for the idea, any more? I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending unit cut off ignition if it thinks there is no pressure? -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Warman Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil No... from the factoryu, there is no "Murphy" switch activity from the oil pressure sender.... I would assume, with all of this stuff going on, that we are using a proper spark tester (this style http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/LIS-50850.html is about the only one I trust and no - the screwdriver trick isn't that accurate)and that the PCM has been polled for DTCs. With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused by a popped fuse... <SPMcClellan@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1f5d6a5f-50a9-495c-a167-67660e5ae17e@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Quote: On Jul 3, 10:44 am, I. Care <ic...@spamthis.com> wrote: In article <7b53bf5c-f526-4130-af46- d0b5454b6...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, SPMcClel...@gmail.com says...> I have a new timing belt and the distributor is rotating, but thank you for the idea, any more? I'm not much of an automotive person, but, does the oil pressure sending unit cut off ignition if it thinks there isnopressure? -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} I really dont know, but that is something I could check on. Thanks for the thought. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Alan B. Mac Farlane Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM: Quote: With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused by a popped fuse... battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles. he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on the inside. Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to test on the way up to the ignition and then to the coil and then to the spark plug. I have never had any problems showing a spark on a pull any plug ... but usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!! Or not. No spark ... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright, freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow. Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hot spark, not enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push a Ford around. sumbuddie on da watchtower :) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jim Warman Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote in message news:C492DFB3.53065%alanb@sonic.net... Quote: in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM: With no evidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused by a popped fuse... battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles. he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on the inside. Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to test on the way up to the ignition and then to the coil and then to the spark plug. I have never had any problems showing a spark on a pull any plug ... but usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!! Or not. No spark ... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright, freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow. Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hot spark, not enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push a Ford around. sumbuddie on da watchtower :) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 3, 8:57 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote: Quote: in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at mecha...@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM: Withnoevidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused by a popped fuse... battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles. he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on the inside. Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to test on the way up to the ignition and then to thecoiland then to thesparkplug. I have never had any problems showing asparkon a pull any plug ... but usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!! Or not. Nospark... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright, freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow. Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hotspark, not enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push aFordaround. sumbuddie on da watchtower :) The engine was soaked in oil, so I will get some contact cleaner and go through the connections cleaning them all. I have checked all fuses and fusable links. I have also checked for voltage and grounds as per the wiring schematic. I have also replaced the PCM, distributor, ignition module, condensor, and the coil. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 4, 10:43 am, SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote: Quote: On Jul 3, 8:57 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote: in article yC9bk.1707$1o6.300@edtnps83, Jim Warman at mecha...@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 12:18 PM: Withnoevidence of basic testing being performed, this could even be caused by a popped fuse... battery to ground ... straight line thinking they say don't go in circles. he just has to trace it hot ... sometimes, and this is rare, the battery cable shows good character on the outside but the battery acid gutted it on the inside. Change the battery hot cable ... and it get up and go ... the first thing to test on the way up to the ignition and then to thecoiland then to thesparkplug. I have never had any problems showing asparkon a pull any plug ... but usually the number 1 sparkplug and reconnect into the appropriate sparkplug cable in this case of the discusion is number 1 ... touch it to the metal steel ground while cranking over ... voila it its aliveeeeee !!! Or not. Nospark... you just got a connection not connecting up ... make sure everything is plugged in, solid dry connection, clean, shiny, bright, freshly scraped of corrosion and crud ... from battery posts out. Sometimes it is just a film of oil that is breaking the electical flow. Fords are notorous for REQUIRING ... all 6 cells of the battery to be up and hot ... for it to work properly. 5 cells of the battery, hotspark, not enough. Swap out your battery if it is off ... and go get something like Interstate that has real good battery warrenty if you are USA if you push aFordaround. sumbuddie on da watchtower :) The engine was soaked in oil, so I will get some contact cleaner and go through the connections cleaning them all. I have checked all fuses and fusable links. I have also checked for voltage and grounds as per the wiring schematic. I have also replaced the PCM, distributor, ignition module, condensor, and thecoil. Ok, I got some contact cleaner and opened all the connections and cleaned them out. I also cleaned the battery posts and verified the cells all had water. I have a good solid cranking action, I have fuel, but I still have no spark. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Alan B. Mac Farlane Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil in article %tibk.1934$7%6.1269@edtnps82, Jim Warman at mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 10:24 PM: Quote: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? the learning curve is pretty flat at first, but it picks up after awhile. try to be patient with your self. Confusion is just a fear of knowing what is going on. Love will take the fear away. Just ask for it, and be open and willing. If you are doing it right, love stings at first ... then later you get used to the sting. This is purgatory you have to go through your pain to find your happiness here. I know it sucks, but that is how purgatory works. sumbuddie where blind sea :) Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor aarcuda69062 Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil In article <C4938C16.53088%alanb@sonic.net>, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote: Quote: in article %tibk.1934$7%6.1269@edtnps82, Jim Warman at mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 10:24 PM: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? the learning curve is pretty flat at first, but it picks up after awhile. try to be patient with your self. Confusion is just a fear of knowing what is going on. Love will take the fear away. Just ask for it, and be open and willing. If you are doing it right, love stings at first ... then later you get used to the sting. This is purgatory you have to go through your pain to find your happiness here. I know it sucks, but that is how purgatory works. sumbuddie where blind sea :) WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor ToolNut Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 2, 9:03 pm, SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote: Quote: Hello, I am having the same problem with 93 ford festiva. I have been working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and still no luck. Have you found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in circles. Is it possible the hall effect module could be bad or the gap between the module and reluctor is too wide. I'm shooting in the dark here because I don't know the Festiva Ign. system so I'm assuming thats how the coil is triggered. Rick Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Tim J. Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:30:38 -0500, aarcuda69062 <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Quote: In article <C4938C16.53088%alanb@sonic.net>, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <alanb@sonic.net> wrote: in article %tibk.1934$7%6.1269@edtnps82, Jim Warman at mechanic@telusplanet.net wrote on 7/3/08 10:24 PM: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? the learning curve is pretty flat at first, but it picks up after awhile. try to be patient with your self. Confusion is just a fear of knowing what is going on. Love will take the fear away. Just ask for it, and be open and willing. If you are doing it right, love stings at first ... then later you get used to the sting. This is purgatory you have to go through your pain to find your happiness here. I know it sucks, but that is how purgatory works. sumbuddie where blind sea :) WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? He started his holiday partying early. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: no spark from coil On Jul 4, 3:32 pm, ToolNut <maxxu...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: On Jul 2, 9:03 pm, SPMcClel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am having the same problem with 93fordfestiva. I have been working on this for weeks now. I have replaced the distributor, the coil, the ignition module, and the ECM and stillnoluck. Have you found anything? I would love to hear any ideas. I have gone through all the ignition tests in the book and they seem to take me in circles. Is it possible the hall effect module could be bad or the gap between the module and reluctor is too wide. I'm shooting in the dark here because I don't know theFestivaIgn. system so I'm assuming thats how thecoilis triggered. Rick I am sorry, I don't know what the hall effect module is or the reluctor. This car has an optical distributor with an electronic advance. With in the distributor, there is a small disk with 4 holes. This spins and when the light shines through the holes, it is supposed to send a signal to the PCM which in turn tells the coil to (via the ignition module) to send spark to the distributor. At least that is how I understand it. If anyone could shed some more light on that it would be great. 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