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Doobie Keebler
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 Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Brea |
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On May 31, 12:42 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
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Again - you have to look at the real market forces that
existed at the time - not what could have been.
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Mike, I could not agree with you more.
Let's do that; let's look at your "real market forces."
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The real market forces were a consuming public that did not
care about that car. They cared about SUV's. That's what they
bought and that's what their feedback was to the
motor companies.
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We'll, you're partly correct.
The consuming public wanted SUVs over Hybrids, alright, and here's
why: the SUV was good for a $30,000 tax write-off. Hybrid vehicles?
Only $4,000 tax credit.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002-12-18-suv-tax-break_x.htm
"This is one of the most lucrative breaks in the tax code. We're
making it a fiscal no-brainer for businesses to buy giant SUVs."
- Aileen Roder. Taxpayers for Common Sense
More from Market Watch:
=============="In January 2003, Bush initially proposed raising the allowable
deduction from $25,000 to $75,000 . . . (but) by the time the final
draft of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 was
put to a vote, the tax break grew to $100,000 through 2005. . . The
bill narrowly passed by a margin of 51 to 50, with Vice President Dick
Cheney stepping in to break the tie."
http://tinyurl.com/5temeu
There's your "real market forces", Mike.
In simplest terms: "What's good for GM is good for America."
http://tinyurl.com/6z4u4k
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Oil Pres Bush is laughing 2 da Bank (Re: If $4/gallon ga |
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I have no beliefs, they are a waste of time.
Used to believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, a Flat Earth, a jealous God
the Father who makes babies with His daughters and manifest as talking fire,
smoke, serpent staff, insects, pestilence, bog creatures, darklight, and
mass casuality child killing airs. All Hail Moses and his Serpent Staff, I
believe ... ha !!!
Beliefs are a waste of time, and I just do not do them like you do.
As for Bernie Sanders ... he is an Independent ... says so on his Senator
Door and under his Senator Name on tee vee.
Independents are sooooo BAD ... that they took them off the internet use
groups. Nazi's, Commies, Socialists, Irak Sand Niggers, Fags, slit lickers,
all have a place on the internet ... but not Independents.
Those GOPerps Grim Pills and those Dummy Dem Grim Pills sure do hate those
Independents.
So ... I want to be one.
Besides I alwasys go to war with my Damm Yankees, and I want a no nonsense
Yankgee running this government.
Do a heck of a lot better then you and what you stand for in your toddler
tantrum.
The learning curve is flat at first, but women can see you in your toddler
tantrum real easy now ... they don't like it ... and sex is gonna be hard
for you to get after awhile.
Better wake up dood !!!
Also get a Helmet ... those Jonestown Nutter Grim Pills are under attack.
Reaping that whirly winds from what they sowed with the Bush War ... that
Bernie Sanders voted against from the get go and called it right.
I don't need no Mark of Cain in the White House ... no Bush in Black no Bush
the Third with more war and more tax cuts for the rich.
Bush Grim Pills are killing US.
God seems to be getting them the Pat Robertson speartip up the arse ... let
me know when you get the point !!!
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:)
in article yNKdnaGSgZHK-urVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@ptd.net, Mike hunt at
mikehunt22@lycos.com wrote on 7/11/08 6:59 AM:
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Better do a bit more research if that is what you believe, Bernie Sanders of
Vermont is not independent, he is a socialist like "Noboma." If you think
things are bad now watch out if the socialists even get run the country. ;) |
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Steve W.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax |
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Doobie Keebler wrote:
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On May 31, 12:42 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
Again - you have to look at the real market forces that
existed at the time - not what could have been.
Mike, I could not agree with you more.
Let's do that; let's look at your "real market forces."
The real market forces were a consuming public that did not
care about that car. They cared about SUV's. That's what they
bought and that's what their feedback was to the
motor companies.
We'll, you're partly correct.
The consuming public wanted SUVs over Hybrids, alright, and here's
why: the SUV was good for a $30,000 tax write-off. Hybrid vehicles?
Only $4,000 tax credit.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002-12-18-suv-tax-break_x.htm
"This is one of the most lucrative breaks in the tax code. We're
making it a fiscal no-brainer for businesses to buy giant SUVs."
- Aileen Roder. Taxpayers for Common Sense
More from Market Watch:
===============
"In January 2003, Bush initially proposed raising the allowable
deduction from $25,000 to $75,000 . . . (but) by the time the final
draft of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 was
put to a vote, the tax break grew to $100,000 through 2005. . . The
bill narrowly passed by a margin of 51 to 50, with Vice President Dick
Cheney stepping in to break the tie."
http://tinyurl.com/5temeu
There's your "real market forces", Mike.
In simplest terms: "What's good for GM is good for America."
http://tinyurl.com/6z4u4k
.-=d00b
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You do know that that tax break is only available to BUSINESSES that use
the vehicle FOR THE BUSINESS. You know, like the folks who use them as
taxis, limos and such.
The average soccer mom who bought an Excursion or Suburban bought it for
one of two reasons. It is far safer than the cars for hauling around the
team, OR they wanted it to keep up with the rest of the soccer moms.
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Steve W.
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Doobie Keebler
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Break |
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On Jul 12, 8:43 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
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I dare say that most of the moms driving around in SUV's probably
have no idea that the tax incentives for businesses to purchase those
vehicles even existed.
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Mike, I "dare say" you are "probably" talking bullshit!
Practically EVERYBODY with a combined HH income >$100k heard about
this scam!
Car dealers and accountants were blaring it on TV ads and billboards:
http://www.tax-matters.com/Help%20Pages/suv_tax_break_a_marketing_bonanz.htm
So, if your hypothetical Mom operated an eBay business from home, even
at a loss, she and her hubby could take a $36,260 tax deduction on a
$50,000 Hummer against combined household income on their joint
return. All nice and legit and approved by the IRS under Section 179
Expensing*. Simply filing a Schedule C qualified them for the
deduction (no need to file a corporate return.)
I personally know a dozen construction tradesmen and hobby farmers
just in my little circle of friends who qualified. One guy I know
makes custom cabinets and his wife sells herballife. He drives a
Touareg and she drives a Cayenne, and they laughed and bragged about
the write-offs. . . it was a fucking joke. Just about every realtor I
know drove a 6000# or larger rig of some kind or other.
According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, just about EVERY SUV sold was
eligible for the tax break!
http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_tag.php?action=view&proj_id=612&tag=SUV%20Tax%20Break&type=Project
Mike, here's my beef with you:
We could discuss whether this was an unintended consequence of poorly
written business incentive legislation, or blatant pork for GM, Ford
and Chrysler.
However, I won't pretend that it was only a "business tax break" from
which "the indivdual consumer derived no benefit", because that's just
plain wrong.
Ford, GM,a nd Chrysler all bet the farm on SUVs, and now they're
screwed!
GM Announces SUV Plant Closing
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91106481
Ford to idle SUV plant
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5Zlv4GuzTf8AKb8u4seNySqXftwD91BQ0283
Chrysler to close Missouri plant indefinitely
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25462942/
.-=d00b
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* Hey! It was great while it lasted:
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/biz_tips/20030403a1.asp
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Mike Marlow
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax |
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"Doobie Keebler" <kooper.db@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:67ff524d-2732-4f27-8051-7eb50e408ceb@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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The consuming public wanted SUVs over Hybrids, alright, and here's
why: the SUV was good for a $30,000 tax write-off. Hybrid vehicles?
Only $4,000 tax credit.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002-12-18-suv-tax-break_x.htm
"This is one of the most lucrative breaks in the tax code. We're
making it a fiscal no-brainer for businesses to buy giant SUVs."
- Aileen Roder. Taxpayers for Common Sense
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This is specifically a business tax break. Has nothing to do with the
average consumer's purchases.
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There's your "real market forces", Mike.
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Not at all, since the indivdual consumer derived no benefit from these tax
breaks. I dare say that most of the moms driving around in SUV's probably
have no idea that the tax incentives for businesses to purchase those
vehicles even existed.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Br |
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On Jul 11, 10:31 pm, "Steve W." <csr684...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OR they wanted it to keep up with the rest of the soccer moms.
never seen a soccer mom yet who wasn't willing to drop to her knees
while her old man was back at the house watchin TV |
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Doobie Keebler
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Break |
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On Jul 12, 8:43 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
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I dare say that most of the moms driving around in SUV's probably
have no idea that the tax incentives for businesses to purchase those
vehicles even existed.
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Mike, I "dare say" you are "probably" talking bullshit!
Practically EVERYBODY with a combined HH income >$100k heard about
this scam!
Car dealers and accountants were blaring it on TV ads and billboards:
http://www.tax-matters.com/Help%20Pages/suv_tax_break_a_marketing_bon...
So, if your hypothetical Mom operated an eBay business from home, even
at a loss, she and her hubby could take a $36,260 tax deduction on a
$50,000 Hummer against combined household income on their joint
return. All nice and legit and approved by the IRS under Section 179
Expensing*. Simply filing a Schedule C qualified them for the
deduction (no need to file a corporate return.)
I personally know a dozen construction tradesmen and hobby farmers
just in my little circle of friends who qualified. One guy I know
makes custom cabinets and his wife sells herballife. He drives a
Touareg and she drives a Cayenne, and they laughed and bragged about
the write-offs. . . it was a fucking joke. Just about every realtor I
know drove a 6000# or larger rig of some kind or other.
According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, just about EVERY SUV sold was
eligible for the tax break!
http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_tag.php?action=view&proj_id=612&tag...
Mike, here's my beef with you:
We could discuss whether this was an unintended consequence of poorly
written business incentive legislation, or blatant pork for GM, Ford
and Chrysler.
However, I won't pretend that it was only a "business tax break" from
which "the indivdual consumer derived no benefit", because that's just
plain wrong.
Ford, GM,a nd Chrysler all bet the farm on SUVs, and now they're
screwed!
GM Announces SUV Plant Closing
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91106481
Ford to idle SUV plant
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5Zlv4GuzTf8AKb8u4seNySqXftwD91BQ0283
Chrysler to close Missouri plant indefinitely
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25462942/
..-=d00b
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..
* Hey! It was great while it lasted:
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/biz_tips/20030403a1.asp
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Br |
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On Jul 12, 10:21 pm, Doobie Keebler <kooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 12, 8:43 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
I dare say that most of the moms driving around in SUV's probably
have no idea that the tax incentives for businesses to purchase those
vehicles even existed.
Mike, I "dare say" you are "probably" talking bullshit!
Practically EVERYBODY with a combined HH income >$100k heard about
this scam!
Car dealers and accountants were blaring it on TV ads and billboards:http://www.tax-matters.com/Help%20Pages/suv_tax_break_a_marketing_bon...
So, if your hypothetical Mom operated an eBay business from home, even
at a loss, she and her hubby could take a $36,260 tax deduction on a
$50,000 Hummer against combined household income on their joint
return. All nice and legit and approved by the IRS under Section 179
Expensing*. Simply filing a Schedule C qualified them for the
deduction (no need to file a corporate return.)
I personally know a dozen construction tradesmen and hobby farmers
just in my little circle of friends who qualified. One guy I know
makes custom cabinets and his wife sells herballife. He drives a
Touareg and she drives a Cayenne, and they laughed and bragged about
the write-offs. . . it was a fucking joke. Just about every realtor I
know drove a 6000# or larger rig of some kind or other.
According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, just about EVERY SUV sold was
eligible for the tax break!http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_tag.php?action=view&proj_id=612&tag...
Mike, here's my beef with you:
We could discuss whether this was an unintended consequence of poorly
written business incentive legislation, or blatant pork for GM, Ford
and Chrysler.
However, I won't pretend that it was only a "business tax break" from
which "the indivdual consumer derived no benefit", because that's just
plain wrong.
Ford, GM,a nd Chrysler all bet the farm on SUVs, and now they're
screwed!
GM Announces SUV Plant Closinghttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91106481
Ford to idle SUV planthttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5Zlv4GuzTf8AKb8u4seNySqXftwD91BQ0283
Chrysler to close Missouri plant indefinitelyhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25462942/
.-=d00b
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.
* Hey! It was great while it lasted:http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/biz_tips/20030403a1.asp
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Mike Marlow
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Br |
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"Doobie Keebler" <kooper.db@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a54f2e86-04e0-44d1-a759-6c885b1e3326@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 12, 8:43 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
| Quote: |
I dare say that most of the moms driving around in SUV's probably
have no idea that the tax incentives for businesses to purchase those
vehicles even existed.
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Mike, I "dare say" you are "probably" talking bullshit!
Practically EVERYBODY with a combined HH income >$100k heard about
this scam!
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Heard of it, and able to capitalize on it are two different things.
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So, if your hypothetical Mom operated an eBay business from home, even
at a loss, she and her hubby could take a $36,260 tax deduction on a
$50,000 Hummer against combined household income on their joint
return. All nice and legit and approved by the IRS under Section 179
Expensing*. Simply filing a Schedule C qualified them for the
deduction (no need to file a corporate return.)
I personally know a dozen construction tradesmen and hobby farmers
just in my little circle of friends who qualified. One guy I know
makes custom cabinets and his wife sells herballife. He drives a
Touareg and she drives a Cayenne, and they laughed and bragged about
the write-offs. . . it was a fucking joke. Just about every realtor I
know drove a 6000# or larger rig of some kind or other.
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Wonderful - I personally know a lot of small business owners as well. Most
of them don't drive SUV's and they take advantage of tax breaks of the
vehicles they do drive. That said - most SUV owners are not small business
owners. Just because you know someone who runs an ebay business does not
support your case a bit.
***************************
According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, just about EVERY SUV sold was
eligible for the tax break!
http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_tag.php?action=view&proj_id=612&tag=SUV%20Tax%20Break&type=Project
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The definitive voice. Ok - there is no discussion with you because you are
blinded by what Taxpayer for Common Sense say, and won't think about this a
bit for yourself.
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Mike, here's my beef with you:
We could discuss whether this was an unintended consequence of poorly
written business incentive legislation, or blatant pork for GM, Ford
and Chrysler.
However, I won't pretend that it was only a "business tax break" from
which "the indivdual consumer derived no benefit", because that's just
plain wrong.
Ford, GM,a nd Chrysler all bet the farm on SUVs, and now they're
screwed!
*******************************
GM has steadily been producing the largest number of vehicles that get over
30 mpg at the same time. Yes - they got hurt by the gas prices and a
backlog of SUV that suddenly nobody wants, but make no mistake, they have
been producing much more than those vehicles. Or do you perhaps not realize
that?
As to the tax breaks - the private consumer receives no tax break for buying
an SUV. The logic of that whole matter seems to escape you.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Mike's "Real Market Forces" - (or, How Bush's SUV Tax Br |
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"Doobie Keebler" <kooper.db@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c53d6291-7c7f-44a6-bb0f-74f834009af1@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
If you want to credibly reference these guys at least post a relevant link.
This link points to an index that requires a lot more effort to find what
you may be referring to, than I'm going to put into a search.
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